But when the parents are homosexual, there is something missing there, whether it be the feminine aspect of a man or woman, or the masculine aspect of a man or woman. If a lesbian couple adopts a boy, where is the masculinity? There is none there because there is no father image in his life.

I really don't care what the Bible says, just let people do what they want to do. As long as it's not hurting anyone, I think we need to look at more serious problems, like water shortages or national debt.

Quick question for Blu. Why can people do what ever they want as long as they are not harming someone?

Why not?

I mean the only problem I see, apart from a bunch of people getting in their business about it, is if they adopt or something, their child might not be comfortable around other people.

I mean all I am trying to say is this:

There are two sides. Gays and Straights.
Gays obviously think marriage shouldn't be banned.
Straights have mixed opinions. But why should they care anyway? Has nothing to do with them. If they think its morally wrong, then deal with it. You're not going to die.

But when the parents are homosexual, there is something missing there, whether it be the feminine aspect of a man or woman, or the masculine aspect of a man or woman. If a lesbian couple adopts a boy, where is the masculinity? There is none there because there is no father image in his life.

Are you saying that the lack of masculinity is, in a sense, a bad thing?

Are you saying that the lack of masculinity is, in a sense, a bad thing?

Well yes, if you are a man. If there were all feminine men, where would the people who do all the "manly stuff" like plumbing or mechanics?

Well yes, if you are a man. If there were all feminine men, where would the people who do all the "manly stuff" like plumbing or mechanics?

Can you show statistical proof that lack of masculinity in parenting is a bad thing for a male child? Also, having the stereotype of 'manly stuff' being catered to construction and development professions is completely idiotic and shows absolutely no reasoning for why it is manly stuff.

Taken from http://www.bible.ca/s-homo-vaccine.htm

D. A Passive or Absent Fathers
1. Father may only be the secondary influence in the life of his children, but since he is second in importance, we should consider him carefully. I have never counseled a homosexual, read one's case history, heard another counselor discuss a client, or listened to the testimony of a former homosexual but that I was informed that the deviant had either a bad relationship with his father or none at all. No doubt some homosexual somewhere has climbed over the positive force of his father's love and masculine role example to become homosexual, but in the many cases I have studied, I cannot name one. A father's most precious gift to his son or daughter is not food, shelter, and education, but love-and he must prove that love by spending time with his child.
2. A former homosexual, now a minister who is effectively helping homosexuals out of their life style, relates a most traumatic childhood experience that shows the importance of the father. Long before he ever felt a "twinge of homosexuality," he was out in the garage with his father, overhauling the car. From under the car came the commanding voice, "Hand me the crescent wrench." He had no idea what a crescent wrench was, so he replied, "I can't find it." His hostile father erupted in an angry spirit, sprang to his feet, and located it in clear view. Cuffing his son on the side of the head, he called him a vile name, rebuked him for being so stupid, and shouted, "Go into the house and help your mother with the girls' work. You obviously aren't cut out for a man's job. " When a small boy's father claims he is more girl-like than male, what is he to believe? Today, having shed the homosexual practices of many agonizing years, this man is still effeminate in his mannerisms, but he struggles valiantly to be accepted as "straight."
3. Father's love and approval of his manhood is very important to any boy, particularly one who manifests other tendencies which may develop a predisposition toward homosexuality. Dr. Irvin Bieber, a psychiatrist acclaimed by the Miami Herald as "one of the most authoritative students of homosexuality in America," said, "Homosexuals are not born that way; they are made that way largely by their parents. "
4. According to a nationally known psychiatrist, the background of homosexuals fits a common pattern. Father is frequently absent from the home, and thus Mother turns to the boy as an outlet for her emotional needs. A boy needs to identify with his father's masculinity; we need to bring Father back into the home, and the father and son must spend time together. A former homosexual who has carried on an effective ministry for five years among homosexuals reported, "I have counseled over three hundred homosexuals and have yet to find one that enjoyed a warm love relationship with his father."
5. The best way to stamp out homosexuality in this country is for parents to get back to the business of making parenthood their priority. Children raised in loving, well-disciplined homes where Mother and Father are themselves good role models for their children rarely become homosexual. Unfortunately, unloved children subjected to the selfish neglect of their parents are vulnerable to a predisposition toward homosexuality. This year divorce may reach 1,100,000, bringing to eleven million the number of children to be raised by one parent. It is estimated that because of divorce, twenty-five to thirty million children up to eighteen years of age will spend a portion of their childhood raised by one parent.
6. A psychiatrist told me, "Every homosexual I know has come from a broken home." My own experience is not that conclusive but I have found that every homosexual I know came from an unhappy home where fighting and hatred abounded between the parents, who usually proceeded with a divorce.

^ From what I am reading, I'm seeing accounts of stories from abusive households where the father is being the abuser, and that homosexuality seems to be a rebellious act from poor parenting. This shows absolutely nothing that justifies your argument about how lack of masculinity is a bad thing for a child, and this source talks about, again, poor parenting, not whether or not a child will grow up to be feminine.

I find the source you've used to not back up a legitimate argument and it is calling for a 'vaccine for homosexuality' that I cannot even tell if it's a real drug or some form of metaphorical solution. It also says that having a level of affection to your child as a father will make your child more likely to turn into a heterosexual. I see absolutely no scientific research that that is true, and seems to be a complete fallacy in such a topic.

But it is not BOTH of the parents off spring, now is it?

When one person in a straight couple is infertile, do you feel the same way or does it only apply to gays?

Since that person cannot have offspring they do not deserve to be married since they can't procreate.

The attempt of religions to use procreation as their basis to deny equal rights to gays has been debunked for a very long time since it is extremely weak. It is why the courts overturn the anti-gay laws when the anti-gays try to use procreation as their reason.

This is America, not some Third World country that uses an antique religious book as their laws.

If you want procreation used to define marriage no infertile straight person and no senior citizen would be allowed to marry since they cannot have offspring.

You need to come up with some better excuse as to why gays should not have the same legal rights as every other American. And it can't be from an antique religious book.

Quick question for Blu. Why can people do what ever they want as long as they are not harming someone?

Why not?

I mean the only problem I see, apart from a bunch of people getting in their business about it, is if they adopt or something, their child might not be comfortable around other people.

I mean all I am trying to say is this:

There are two sides. Gays and Straights.
Gays obviously think marriage shouldn't be banned.
Straights have mixed opinions. But why should they care anyway? Has nothing to do with them. If they think its morally wrong, then deal with it. You're not going to die.

With that, you have not answered my question. So rather than just asking you, I will just ask this to all. Why can people do what ever they want as long as they are not harming someone?

Kudos to you^